Last updated Nov 29, 2025

DOGE unveils a roadmap, Unlocking GDP Growth, WW3 escalation, Fat cell memory

Sat, 23 Nov 2024 15:45:00 +0000
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government
The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) initiative will be formally sunset or disbanded on July 4, 2026, the 250th anniversary of the United States.
Ellen and Vivek have announced that Doge will be sunsetting or disbanding at the 250th anniversary of America, which would be July 4th of 2026. So they've only given themselves about what's that, 18 months?View on YouTube
Explanation

Public documents and reporting show that DOGE was intended to sunset on July 4, 2026 (the U.S. Semiquincentennial), but in reality it was dissolved earlier.

  • The executive order establishing DOGE’s temporary organization explicitly scheduled its termination for July 4, 2026, tying it to an 18‑month agenda ending on that date. (whitehouse.gov)
  • Contemporary coverage of DOGE’s launch likewise reported that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy had set an explicit expiry date of July 4, 2026 for the initiative. (businesstoday.in)

However, subsequent reporting and official statements indicate DOGE was effectively disbanded in November 2025, well before that date:

  • Reuters reported that DOGE had been quietly disbanded with eight months left on its charter, and that the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) director confirmed DOGE was no longer a centralized entity and its functions were being absorbed by OPM and others. (reuters.com)
  • Other major outlets similarly described DOGE as dissolved months before its scheduled conclusion on July 4, 2026. (nypost.com)
  • A current encyclopedic summary lists DOGE as dissolved in 2025, consistent with these reports of an early shutdown. (en.wikipedia.org)

Since the prediction was that DOGE “will be sunsetting or disbanding at the 250th anniversary of America, which would be July 4th of 2026,” but the initiative was in fact disbanded in 2025, the specific forecast about its sunset date is incorrect.

economypolitics
If DOGE is used to dramatically simplify the U.S. tax code (potentially including adoption of a flat tax) by cutting it down and only reenacting necessary provisions, U.S. real GDP growth will increase by approximately 1–2 percentage points (100–200 basis points) relative to the current trend, producing a sustained economic expansion.
could you imagine if these guys basically used Doge as a mechanism to shrink the tax code, create a flat tax, potentially... the idea of just cutting this all the way down, and then finding through that process what you actually need, I think, can find America 100 to 200 basis points of GDP growth. It could be an economic renaissance.View on YouTube
Explanation

The prediction is a conditional causal claim: if DOGE were used to radically simplify the U.S. tax code (e.g., implement a flat tax and drastically shrink the code), then U.S. real GDP growth would rise by about 1–2 percentage points and create a sustained expansion.

As of 30 November 2025:

  • The U.S. federal tax code has not been overhauled using DOGE (Dogecoin) as any central mechanism, nor has Congress adopted a DOGE-based reform or flat tax tied to DOGE.
  • The IRS and U.S. Treasury do not use DOGE as an official tax payment mechanism or as a structural tool for rewriting/simplifying the tax code; crypto usage for taxes remains limited to certain states/municipalities for payment, and is not structurally DOGE-centric or code-shrinking in the manner described.
  • There has been no major legislative tax reform in 2024–2025 that meets the described condition of “using DOGE to shrink the tax code and create a flat tax.”

Because the triggering condition of the prediction has not occurred, we have no empirical basis to evaluate whether such a DOGE-driven tax-code simplification would in fact add 100–200 basis points to U.S. real GDP growth. It’s a counterfactual policy claim that remains untested, not a time-bound forecast whose outcome we can observe.

Therefore the correct classification is "ambiguous": the claim cannot be determined true or false given current reality, not because it’s too early, but because the scenario it depends on never happened.

economygovernment
If DOGE is able to wipe a very large share of existing federal regulations off the books (followed by selectively reenacting only necessary ones), U.S. real GDP growth will reach approximately 4–5% annually, compared to its current lower growth rate.
I think that the US economy could be growing at 4 or 5%, but the reason it doesn't grow at 4 or 5% is in that one single chart. It is impossible to be able to live up to your economic potential when you have this burden on your neck. So I think the real opportunity for Doge is to basically do whatever it needs to do, using the law to wipe as many of these regulations off the books.View on YouTube
Explanation

Chamath’s statement on the podcast is explicitly conditional and framed in terms of potential: he says the U.S. economy “could be growing at 4 or 5%” but doesn’t, because of regulatory burden, and that the opportunity for DOGE is to “wipe as many of these regulations off the books” and then selectively reenact needed ones. This is not a time‑bounded forecast but a counterfactual claim about what could happen under a very aggressive deregulation scenario that has never actually been tried. (speakai.co)

What actually happened with DOGE and regulation

After the episode, President Trump’s second term did formally establish the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) via executive order on 20 January 2025, reorganizing the U.S. Digital Service and creating DOGE teams in agencies. Subsequent orders tasked DOGE and agencies with reviewing regulations, workforce reductions, and contract/grant reforms, but these orders emphasize review, prioritization, and rescinding certain rules—far from literally wiping the vast bulk of federal regulations and then reenacting only a small subset. (whitehouse.gov) DOGE’s own communications highlight specific deregulatory actions and claimed savings, not a near‑total reboot of the Code of Federal Regulations. (doge.gov) In late 2025, DOGE was quietly disbanded months before its planned end date, with its functions partially absorbed into other entities—again indicating the radical, comprehensive deregulation Chamath described was never implemented. (reuters.com)

Observed GDP growth

Real U.S. GDP growth has remained in the 2–3% range: about 2.8% in 2024, with official projections around 2.0% for 2025 and 2.1% for 2026, well below the 4–5% annual growth he discussed. (en.wikipedia.org) But because the extreme deregulatory scenario he posited (wiping a very large share of regulations and rebuilding from zero) never occurred, these actual growth outcomes do not directly test his counterfactual claim.

Why this is scored as ambiguous

  • The prediction is conditional (“if DOGE wipes the regulations and then reenacts only necessary ones”) and expressed as what the U.S. economy could achieve, without a clear time horizon.
  • The necessary condition—a sweeping, near‑total deregulation and rebuild of the federal rulebook—has not happened; only partial, contested DOGE‑linked reforms took place before the initiative was wound down.
  • Because we have never observed the world Chamath is talking about, we cannot empirically say whether that scenario would have produced 4–5% real growth.

Given that the condition has not been satisfied and the statement is inherently counterfactual and non‑time‑bounded, it cannot be cleanly judged as right or wrong based on current data. It is therefore best classified as ambiguous rather than correct, incorrect, or merely “too early.”

Chamath @ 00:41:40Inconclusive
politics
Over the next one to two U.S. federal election cycles (approximately 4–8 years from 2024), there will be a significant increase in MAGA-aligned candidates running primary challenges against anti-MAGA incumbent Republicans across many districts in the United States.
I think sacks laid it out, which is that if you use the combination of the carrot and the stick... I think those folks are going to have a very tough four and eight years, because I think you'll see a bunch of MAGA candidates rising up to run against him everywhere in the United States.View on YouTube
Explanation

The prediction explicitly concerns “the next four and eight years” after late 2024—i.e., roughly through the 2028–2032 federal election cycles. At the time of evaluation (November 30, 2025), only about one year has elapsed since the prediction, and at most the 2024 general election and part of the 2026 primary cycle are in view. That is far too early to judge whether “a bunch of MAGA candidates [will] rise up to run against [anti‑MAGA Republicans] everywhere in the United States” over the full 4–8 year horizon.

While there are early signs that MAGA‑aligned candidates continue to challenge some Republican incumbents in various primaries, the prediction is about the magnitude and breadth of such challenges across one to two full federal election cycles, which extend well beyond 2025. Because the specified time window has not passed, we cannot yet determine whether the forecasted widespread surge in MAGA primary challengers has actually materialized at the scale described.

Therefore the status of this prediction is too early to call.

markets
At some point in the future after this episode (Nov 23, 2024), David Sacks will become involved in Dogecoin (DOGE) in a notable way, such as a partnership, advisory role, investment announcement, or other publicly visible collaboration between Sacks and a Dogecoin-related project.
and maybe he's going to be involved in Doge. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a sacks Doge, uh, hook up in the future. I don't know, I'm taking a guess here.View on YouTube
Explanation

Public reporting since November 23, 2024 shows David Sacks becoming the White House “AI & Crypto Czar,” shaping broad U.S. policy on cryptocurrencies and AI, but not taking any specific advisory, partnership, or investment role with Dogecoin (the cryptocurrency) itself. Major coverage from Reuters, the Financial Times, and The Washington Post describes his portfolio as overseeing crypto policy generally and building a legal framework for the industry, without any mention of Dogecoin-specific initiatives or collaborations. (reuters.com) Separate reporting and official-style writeups on the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) make clear that DOGE is a government efficiency initiative whose name is a backronym referencing the Dogecoin meme, but they still do not describe Sacks as working on, with, or for the Dogecoin project or its developers; DOGE is an agency effort, not a Dogecoin partnership. (en.wikipedia.org) Ethics disclosures and subsequent articles about Sacks emphasize that he sold off significant crypto holdings (Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana, and related assets) before taking office as crypto czar, again with no indication of a notable Dogecoin position or role. (cnbc.com) Coverage of his relationship to Elon Musk and the DOGE office notes that Sacks is not even officially part of the DOGE team, merely a long-time associate commenting on Musk’s management style. (businessinsider.com) A broad search for combinations of “David Sacks” and “Dogecoin” or DOGE as a token finds no press releases, public announcements, or credible reports of Sacks entering into a partnership, advisory role, or other concrete collaboration with the Dogecoin cryptocurrency or its core ecosystem through November 30, 2025. In other words, the specific predicted outcome—a notable, public Sacks–Dogecoin tie-up—has not occurred as of the current date.